Introducing the Friday Night Tourney Series @ Game Zone

[jbean3535]

I know this place is nearly dead but why not?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/ ... ourney.jpg

Any questions, etc etc- Ask here, PM me, Stop me at work, whatever.

Your $5 entry fee now includes a bottled water.

[ThatGuy]

Qualifier will be chosen at the of the tournaments.

what?

[ICTcamerone]

Did ya have to put this on a Friday, lol. I'll try and make this one, I normally work on Fridays.

What's the rules for players failing the song?

[jbean3535]

Did ya have to put this on a Friday, lol. I'll try and make this one, I normally work on Fridays.

What's the rules for players failing the song?

You fail the song, its an automatic loss to you. If both players fail, the player with the highest % at the time of failing wins. As for qualifier, since we dont have a ton of time and this is just a fun, low key, chill, get to know everybody tournament, It will NOT be a song. Each tournament we will change up how the seeding will be done. I never liked how in traditional tournaments the best player always got set up to play the very worst player.

EDIT:: Oh $#!%, I just saw what you meant about the Qualifier- OOPS! Its fixed. Also- EVERYONE MAKE NOTE OF THE TIME CHANGES

[ICTcamerone]

So if my opponent picks a song and we both fail, it's whoever has the highest % at point of failing? I can do that.

Really, random seeding is the only way to eliminate total unfairness. If you set up the best against the worst, the worse players cry nub. If you set up the best against the best in single elimination (i'm assuming that's the format here) then the top 3 will not accurately represent the best 3 players of the tournament no matter what.

Unless you have a unique way of doing this. I can't wait, lol.

[jbean3535]

So if my opponent picks a song and we both fail, it's whoever has the highest % at point of failing? I can do that.

Really, random seeding is the only way to eliminate total unfairness. If you set up the best against the worst, the worse players cry nub. If you set up the best against the best in single elimination (i'm assuming that's the format here) then the top 3 will not accurately represent the best 3 players of the tournament no matter what.

Unless you have a unique way of doing this. I can't wait, lol.

Yes, failing will work that way. Seeding will be done in a totally new fashion. I always hated how the best went against the worst etc etc. Just wait and see

[jbean3535]

Our owners found out about this and totally took a crap all over it. Everyone plan on it staying the same because I told her that its happening wither she wants it to or not.

[AxioM]

Good stuff organizing this Jbean. I hope it works out, and that people can commit to it.

[jbean3535]

Good stuff organizing this Jbean. I hope it works out, and that people can commit to it.

Yeah, the owners totally took a crap all over the idea. Prizes are changed because of them but Im working on negotiating them because honestly, they suck @$$.

1st- 20% of the pot
2nd- Sonic Plush of your choice (Excluding the giant Knuckles) $15 value
3rd- Some Flying Monkey thing we have. We also have Cows and stuff. $6 value

Um...Any resonable ideas for 3rd place prizes?

Flyer updated. WE ALSO NEED A MIN. OF 24-32 PEOPLE. COME IF YOU ARE THE SLIGHTEST BIT INTERESTED. FREE PLAY FOR THE NIGHT :D. Beatmania and Dance Maniax SHOULD be on freeplay as well.

[typobox43]

Getting a 32 person tournament done in 4 hours would be quite the amazing feat.

[jbean3535]

Getting a 32 person tournament done in 4 hours would be quite the amazing feat.

We are in talks with the mall to stay open just a little later than 9.

[ICTcamerone]

Well, assuming a 3 minute max per song (no long songs I take it) and a max of 3 rounds per match, the actual play time (excluding the qualifier, breaks if given, finding people when their match is up) is a bit more than 4.5 hours.

The owners don't like this? Really, I didn't know they were adverse to the idea of money.

[jbean3535]

Well, assuming a 3 minute max per song (no long songs I take it) and a max of 3 rounds per match, the actual play time (excluding the qualifier, breaks if given, finding people when their match is up) is a bit more than 4.5 hours.

The owners don't like this? Really, I didn't know they were adverse to the idea of money.

Yeah, We are restricting it to all songs on the machine EXCEPT the Originals folder. The ratings are whacked out and there are way long songs in there that are patched. We WILL get this done. :) If you aren't in the store when your match it called, its an auto forfeit. We cant be waiting around forever for people. I will review all this stuff when you register/get ready for the matches.

[AxioM]

Wow man. The management at your arcade is ridiculous. They're asking some insane stuff from the players. Pay an entry fee (free play, yeah, but still) for a possible shot at 20% of the entry money. AND you require at least 24 people to enter.

First of all, 24 people entering a local tournament just isn't going to happen unless you get the word out. It'd be great if it did, and perhaps I'm just super out of the loop, but last I checked, our local scene was fairly skimpy at the moment.

This isn't your fault, obviously, I just hope it works out for you guys with such shenanigin stipulations from your bosses. :/

[jbean3535]

Wow man. The management at your arcade is ridiculous. They're asking some insane stuff from the players. Pay an entry fee (free play, yeah, but still) for a possible shot at 20% of the entry money. AND you require at least 24 people to enter.

First of all, 24 people entering a local tournament just isn't going to happen unless you get the word out. It'd be great if it did, and perhaps I'm just super out of the loop, but last I checked, our local scene was fairly skimpy at the moment.

This isn't your fault, obviously, I just hope it works out for you guys with such shenanigin stipulations from your bosses. :/

Yeah, thats why my coworker and I tried to keep it under wraps. We have a TON of GZ players though so we will make it. They are money money money in any form. They dont even realize that 1/2 the business on that machine is from me and my custom version/songs. This tourney going on behind their backs was "my last chance at a job there" but they know the place will die without me and I told them that if I go, all my material on that machine goes and I revert it back to factory settings.

[TheBelzer]

Wow man. The management at your arcade is ridiculous. They're asking some insane stuff from the players. Pay an entry fee (free play, yeah, but still) for a possible shot at 20% of the entry money. AND you require at least 24 people to enter.

First of all, 24 people entering a local tournament just isn't going to happen unless you get the word out. It'd be great if it did, and perhaps I'm just super out of the loop, but last I checked, our local scene was fairly skimpy at the moment.

This isn't your fault, obviously, I just hope it works out for you guys with such shenanigin stipulations from your bosses. :/

Yeah, thats why my coworker and I tried to keep it under wraps. We have a TON of GZ players though so we will make it. They are money money money in any form. They dont even realize that 1/2 the business on that machine is from me and my custom version/songs. This tourney going on behind their backs was "my last chance at a job there" but they know the place will die without me and I told them that if I go, all my material on that machine goes and I revert it back to factory settings.

owned

[ICTcamerone]

All I know is Silikon and Dancingbox better not be in the Originals folder ;p

From my limited experience there, I can definitely see the place suffering a loss without all the custom stuff on the machine, but someone else will just hack it and put songs on it.

From my perspective, though, all the work that's gone into the theme and the songs is priceless.

[typobox43]

The problem is that Nascart's five minutes away and cheaper. Without the hacked songs/theme, there's really no advantage to paying 75 cents/game at GZ. Without that, people would leave pretty quickly - at least the more serious players would.

[jbean3535]

but someone else will just hack it and put songs on it.

Nobody will. Nobody else has a key to the padlock in the back. And everyone knows how horrible it was when it was R14 ;)

[ICTcamerone]

Oh. I was under the impression that you didn't need to open up the machine anymore since the BIOS passwords are public now. I'm not very knowledgeable in this area, I'm afraid.

[jbean3535]

Oh. I was under the impression that you didn't need to open up the machine anymore since the BIOS passwords are public now. I'm not very knowledgeable in this area, I'm afraid.

Our machine is odd. The password randomizes itself each time. When it cant find a password AKA we took it off to add songs, it randomizes a new one. Weve even tried setting our own password.

[ICTcamerone]

Wow, like completely random? Doesn't even choose one of the passwords that's listed? That would be odd.

[jbean3535]

Wow, like completely random? Doesn't even choose one of the passwords that's listed? That would be odd.

Yeah, if you remember when we 1st got the machine, we had major issues with it. Our tech was on the phone with Roxor all day rewriting the BIOS to it.

[Damien]

Good idea but I don't see you getting 24 people. Especially at 4 for registration, since most of them has to have their mommy drop them off and wont be off work yet.

[jbean3535]

Good idea but I don't see you getting 24 people. Especially at 4 for registration, since most of them has to have their mommy drop them off and wont be off work yet.

Yeah, If it doesnt work on Fridays, it will move to Saturdays. We would have more time and no school and such.

[ICTcamerone]

I know it would be a lot easier for me, not having to take the day off of work.

[XOmegaZZ]

Alright, lets do some simple math here-

Let's say you have the minimum 24 people enter. At $5 each that puts in $120 total. 20% of that is $24 (and of course, Gamezone would assumingly pocket almost $100). Actually, with any number of people, it basically adds up that first place will get $1 per person who enters.

Furthermore, only 1 person (1st place) will actually make a profit. Hell, the other 2 places won't break even, and first place will only win about 5 times what their entry fee is. If there's one person who decides to enter who's a lot better than everyone else, why would anyone else enter if they feel they didn't have a legitimate shot at winning the (only) prize money? That's going to greatly discourage people from entering.

Also, I really don't see how 24 people will turn out for this weekly. I mean, the last main tournament that was held in Kansas City was what, the NAT qualifiers at Nascart? That was back in December '05, and that only got 16 people (not to mention about a quarter of that figure was from people from out of town).

In short, Jordan's employers are really f'ing stupid for thinking they can run a tournament like this. I know this is probably out of Jordan's control, but the way it's being setup is ridiculous.

[jbean3535]

Alright, lets do some simple math here-

Let's say you have the minimum 24 people enter. At $5 each that puts in $120 total. 20% of that is $24 (and of course, Gamezone would assumingly pocket almost $100). Actually, with any number of people, it basically adds up that first place will get $1 per person who enters.

Furthermore, only 1 person (1st place) will actually make a profit. Hell, the other 2 places won't break even, and first place will only win about 5 times what their entry fee is. If there's one person who decides to enter who's a lot better than everyone else, why would anyone else enter if they feel they didn't have a legitimate shot at winning the (only) prize money? That's going to greatly discourage people from entering.

Also, I really don't see how 24 people will turn out for this weekly. I mean, the last main tournament that was held in Kansas City was what, the NAT qualifiers at Nascart? That was back in December '05, and that only got 16 people (not to mention about a quarter of that figure was from people from out of town).

In short, Jordan's employers are really f'ing stupid for thinking they can run a tournament like this. I know this is probably out of Jordan's control, but the way it's being setup is ridiculous.

Im actually going in to talk about all this today with them. They are basically making money off my idea without giving me squat. Im giving them two things that I NEED and if I dont get them, Im not running this and they will get 100% of the control for it.

[jbean3535]

So Im thinking for times sake, Official ITG1/2/3 material only?

[ICTcamerone]

I got no problem with ITG 1/2, I haven't been able to come by hardly any ITG3 simfiles but that just might be me. I think Mungyodance should be chooseable too.

[typobox43]

I'd be very happy with just ITG.

[XOmegaZZ]

I'm guessing what I've got on my computer/our ITG machine is pretty much the same as what you've got at Gamezone as far as ITG stuff is concerned ITG3 wise, considering mDawg got pissed when we first posted vids of ITG3 sims on our machine.

Some of those charts are absolutely god awful.

So even though I'm in Texas and in no way participating in this, keep it at regular ITG stuff.

[ICTcamerone]

Eh, I hafta agree. Regular ITG 1/2 stuff is the only way to keep things fair.

[jbean3535]

I'm guessing what I've got on my computer/our ITG machine is pretty much the same as what you've got at Gamezone as far as ITG stuff is concerned ITG3 wise, considering mDawg got pissed when we first posted vids of ITG3 sims on our machine.

Some of those charts are absolutely god awful.

All that stuff you have is super old and not official :P

[ICTcamerone]

Long story short, if the steps to Hasse Miche on the GZ machine are official, I'll take any other chart someone can make for it. If you want to make ITG3 stuff playable that's fine with me; derek, alex, and I are probably the only ones coming in from out of town who don't have that stuff anyway.

[jbean3535]

Long story short, if the steps to Hasse Miche on the GZ machine are official, I'll take any other chart someone can make for it. If you want to make ITG3 stuff playable that's fine with me; derek, alex, and I are probably the only ones coming in from out of town who don't have that stuff anyway.

Nobody up here has it either :P

[typobox43]

This was fun. Probably need to plan a bit better next time for the double elimination bracket, but it worked out well enough anyway.

My last match was really close. That was kinda cool - well, except for the fact that I lost. Flesy got 5.73% too, which was worth a few lulz. Hopefully I'll be able to come to the next one.

[jbean3535]

Thanks to EVERYONE who came out to make this possible. I know it was a little hectic but we did manage to get a 20 person, Double-Elim tourney done in a mere 4 hours. Congrats to Jared G who took 1st, Camerone who got 2nd, and Derek who got 3rd. I would also like to give a HUGE @$$ THANK YOU to Nick, Bishy Bish Bish for helping me SO much with the event. Im thinking that this needs to be Saturdays? And possible like...the last Saturday of each month or something. I need some input people.

[typobox43]

Saturdays would be infinitely better simply because we'd have a lot more time to get things done. It felt really rushed there towards the end - and it was still after 9:30 when we finished. If these tournaments get any bigger, we'll have problems. And personally, I think double-elimination is a must as long as it's manageable - it's the only way some of the weaker players are going to get anything close to their money's worth out of the entry fee. One and done isn't worth $5. If your goal is to turn this into a really serious series of tournaments with only the good players, making it single-elimination would be a good way to do that - the weaker players would get scared off after losing in the first round a couple of times.

If we do Saturdays, we could also do real qualifying. Some of those first-round matchups were a bit sketchy (Nathan and Cameron?). Seeding people properly is especially critical in a double-elimination tournament, because if you eliminate a good player early, they end up eating everyone up in the loser's bracket. I think if we start at 1:00 on Saturday, we could do a full double-elimination tournament with qualifying with plenty of time to spare. Registration starts at 12, qualifying starts at 1, and keep accepting people until 2 (or simply the end of qualifying). If the tournaments start getting too large, it would also be possible to cut the lowest qualifiers and refund their entry fees... but it'd obviously be preferable to avoid that.

As for how often they should run... maybe a "normal" tournament on the second Saturday of each month, and a tournament with some sort of twist (battle mode, mods, etc.) on the fourth Saturday? Just a thought. Serious tournaments every two weeks is probably overkill, but if you're up to it, I think doing something every two weeks would probably do okay.

[CataKai]

I think last night was pretty awesome. But I do agree that this should be on Saturday. Me and typo were talking about ways it could be done, and think that more people might come because of the date. I BARELY made it because of schedule issues but it was still fun. Nice job to the people that organized it.